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Poster: conv Date: Apr 11, 2005 10:51pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: AESTHETICS OF NOISE: GLITCHY SOUNDSCAPES

"the aesthetics of failure" sucks nowaddays; it's just a new "turn of the screw" of the post-modernism.
Most of the "glitch" works are just exercises of egocentrism.

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Poster: LAJ Date: Apr 12, 2005 7:50am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: AESTHETICS OF NOISE: GLITCHY SOUNDSCAPES

Just a few of quick comments:

(1) I made reference to Cascone's essay strictly because of the historical details that it provided and not because of any philosophical interest in post-modernism -a term whose meaning I find blurry to say the least.

(2) I didn't mean to imply that everything that I included in the track list was good or that they were prime examples of glitch. I was just making an honest attempt to point in the right driection (mainly for myself).

(3) On the other hand, there are some good solid glitch tracks to be found here. Myself, I'm not a heavy listener of glitch, although, I do get great pleasure from listening to a number of non-netlabel glitch releases like Cordell Klier's Apparitions or the excellent music released by the 12K/Line label.


This post was modified by LAJ on 2005-04-12 14:50:19

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Poster: electronicsanonymous Date: Apr 25, 2005 7:38pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: AESTHETICS OF NOISE: GLITCHY SOUNDSCAPES

Popping up it's ugly head to write it was nice to have read you

http://www.arrakis.es/~ccs/hazardrecords/catalogue/hazard_42ze.htm

ZE./.

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Poster: LAJ Date: Apr 26, 2005 8:46am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: AESTHETICS OF NOISE: GLITCHY SOUNDSCAPES

I hadn't hear about this release until it was mentioned by Marc in the Disquiet newsletter [ www.disquiet.com ] - great listening.

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Poster: aaron m Date: Apr 12, 2005 6:53am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: AESTHETICS OF NOISE: GLITCHY SOUNDSCAPES

> "the aesthetics of failure" sucks nowaddays;
> it's just a new "turn of the screw" of the post-
> modernism.

News flash: everything we create can be looked at as post-modern. post-modern isn't just finding existence in the past, the discarded, or the unexplored, etc.. It is what has killed the development of further art and social philosophy. unless the idea itself is abandoned, there is nowhere to go.

> Most of the "glitch" works are just exercises
> of egocentrism.

Now, don't mistake me. I'm not a big fan of glitch (there are exceptions), or at least what some ppl call glitch (elements of glitch incorporated into other music, sure). But, how is Glitch egocentric?

Granted. There are one or two ppl out there making the shit that tend to do it because they believe it makes them special. And yes that is annoying. .. but there are far more ppl that just enjoy the sound or the methods and technology they use to create it, even if you dont.

In fact, if you really want to get into it - the very idea of someone calling any specific thing egocentric in order to point out that they think it was just a recent "turn of the screw" fad, that it "sucks" and it's over - that's the real egocentric attitude right there. very self-serving in origin, nothing further.

But before you go defending yourself - I agree with the mood behind what led you to say that, I just don't agree with what you said.

I too am tired of the tons of randomized bullshit or underskilled music trying to be passed off as experimental when its all a specific person can do. When it's all you can do, it's not experimental and it's not new.

And this isn't a new problem. It's everywhere in art. However, even under those circumstances the occasional idiot savant pops up his or her ugly head or some natural talent comes along, etc.

Anyways, when it comes down to it.. you can never get away with blanketed statements on any group. It ends up holding no water. If you want a better argument you'd be better off actually discussing the weaknesses of a group. such as with glitch, the unstylized, random, no control, same repeated techniques .. etc. that many (not all) glitch musicians use.

To me, Glitch is just another color on the pallete of music for me to put on the overall canvas.

I could go on and on but im already tired of hearing my own voice (or reading my own words, or whatever). ;]

edit: i misspell alot. im sure theres still some left.

This post was modified by aaron m on 2005-04-12 13:53:04